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Alfs 3:41 Wed Sep 29
Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

There are so many examples, including our own Moysey.

Nuno did brilliant work at Wolves and they're already struggling since his departure, yet Spurs are going downhill, too.

Nuno improved Wolves immensely, so why isn't he doing the same at Spurs?

Pelle, who was a fucking car crash for us, seems to be doing a decent job at Real Betis.

I just don't get the logic of it all, if there is any?

the straw 4:06 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Nuno basically got a CM97/98 data editor and added Neves, Jimenez, Patricio and Moutinho to his Division 1 Wolves save.

Darby_ 5:42 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Maybe they don’t turn bad? Maybe they’re just written off and sacked as soon as they have a bad run?

As opposed to the old days when fans and owners spent years patiently waiting for someone like Sir Alex Ferguson to come good. That doesn’t happen any more. If they have a bad run, they’re written off as failures before they can turn it around.

Sydney_Iron 7:39 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Nuno has been at Spurs how long? Bit premature to write him off just yet, was manager of the month for August! What a fickle sport football is sometimes, flavour of the month, lose 3 games and your shit!

Be more than happy if he does do badly, saying that I quite like him, just a shame he chose to go to Spurs.

zico 8:13 Wed Sep 29
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I think a lot of it is down to whether the players listen and want to learn, especially those who think they are bigger than the new incoming Manager who maybe hasn't won anything. As others have said though Managers don't get time these days. Saw a table of Man United Manager records the other day and Moyes wasn't actually doing that badly compared to those who have been there since Fergie but whoever took it was on a hiding to nothing. Same goes with players though. Look at Sanchez going from being a top player at Arsenal and thgen going to Man Utd. Where is he now?!?!

Sydney_Iron 8:26 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Players as well, just look at Haller!!! FFS, the big moody cunt has well and truly re found the back of the net since going to Ajax, even F Anderson i noticed got the winner for Lazio last weekend, so must be playing well enough to get into first team top level football again.

angryprumphs 9:15 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Alfs 3:41 Wed Sep 29

Because the bigger the club, the less time you have to get your shit together before knee jerk people start questioning you.

Sven Roeder 9:45 Wed Sep 29
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Spoke to the Wolves fan at work & reckons Nuno was great for them but he was basically well organised and safety first and obviously had brought in most of the players he had to fit that.

Spurs had about 10 managers on the wish list before him and there was a hint of desperation about the appointment.
He and they probably think they should be more adventurous and not sure that is HIM.
Said the other day he should have insisted they take the Kane money (his opinion may not have mattered) and got players he wanted in & based the team around Son.
Day 1 I would have binned Alli & Dier too.
Think he is a good manager at the wrong club and hopefully he gets a bumper payout and then a more suitable job when they sink.

BRANDED 10:04 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Dynamics

eastend joker 10:37 Wed Sep 29
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i think it all depends on the degree of freedom they get within a particular club on team make up and transfers ,
as has been pointed out Nuno is lumbered with Alli and Dyier , until that club moves these two and Kane on and gives the money to the manager to invest as he feels they are only going one way .

Takashi Miike 10:50 Wed Sep 29
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moyes - replacing fergie, disinterested squad, has anyone succeeded there since sir alex?
nuno - jorge mendes deserves as much credit for that first season, supplying so many great players. no one will do consistently well at spurs while levy is there
pelle - do betis have a control freak owner? it's been noticeable since the PAI shit died, that the board puppets have started spinning stories again. they'll never learn

GreenStreetPlayer 10:53 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Could be like most relationships, chemistry?
Even under this Moyes tenure, you can pin point exactly our ‘change in fortune’, when he was sidelined with covid for a couple of weeks! What happened there!
Not many positive things covid can be attributed to, but contributed perhaps towards our current one.

Block 11:10 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

All depends on the hierarchy within the club the manager moves to.

Plus, Nuno had been at Wolves for a decent amount of time, however - I know someone who works at Spurs and he said he is absolutely shit.

This person has been at Spurs since the Ramos days and seen a variety of different managers, and Nuno is so blaze about everything and there's no real structure or preparation for training etc.

bill green 6:41 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Look at someone who has succeeded - Fat Sam.
Clubs sign him out of desperation, he manages upwards. He tells them with the crap squad you've left me I need £xm to get you up 10% and £xxm to get you up 20%.
So he sets the goals that he knows he can reach like a good sales manager.

PwoperNaughtyButNot 6:59 Wed Sep 29
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

In a league of 20 clubs where a third have top third expectations , a third have mid table expectations and a third have avoid relation expectations there will always be good managers deemed as bad.

If the 20 best managers of all time were given equal resource 3 of them would still get relegated and the press and support would call them shit.

Alfs 3:13 Thu Sep 30
Re: Why do good football managers become bad managers when they change clubs?

Barcelona has dive-bombed since Koeman has come in. Yeah, I know they lost Messi, but still...

Jim C 1:05 Sat Oct 2
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I also think it's down to man management as well as knowing when it's time to change tact.

I am quite heavily involved in grassroots and although the technical ability and fitness is in a different world in comparison to the top level, this applies. I once was asked to work alongside a manager and his ideas/training sessions and what he was trying to get the team to do was superb. I had more experience than him but he was way ahead of me in that aspect. The problem was the team spent most of the time taking the piss out of him and doing their own thing, so I was there to play bad cop. It worked at first but then he started resenting me and telling me I was trying to take over, which wasn't true, so in the end I left him too it and it went back to how it was.

Some managers are also been guilty of not admitting it was time to try a new approach and by the time they do, it's too late. I have been guilty of it before. Some things work with some players and not others.

Getting this balance right, I think is what distinguishes the bad, average, good and great.

BRANDED 1:17 Sat Oct 2
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Change tack or be tactful?

eusebiovic 2:05 Sat Oct 2
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Because they allow their ego to overinflate their actual importance when often it's their assistant manager who is just as much a key to their success but which they only realise after endlessly taking the credit until the inevitable parting of ways comes to pass.

And money.

gph 4:38 Sat Oct 2
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Probably because they are only one of the variables.

Moyes probably wasn't that bad at Sunderland, but everything else was, it dragged him down, and he got more than his fair share of the blame.

Biggest mistake was going there in the first place.

Nagel 5:29 Sat Oct 2
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"Barcelona has dive-bombed since Koeman has come in."

Not really. Last season they only managed to finish 3rd, their worst placing for years. They also got thrashed 8-2 at home by Bayern Munich in the CL. So, they were already on a downward spiral before Koeman got the job.

Also, Koeman is not a good manager anyway. His last club job was at Everton, where he got sacked after dropping them to the relegation places. So in his case a mediocre manager stayed mediocre when changing clubs.

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